quote of the day
By alice | May 22, 2008
the stupid question I hear so often from those who don’t have a clue about what the online world is like and what drives people in it – “Where do people find the time?!” – Adriana Lukas
I have no idea where I get the time to do my internet stuff, because it doesn’t work like that. You either do it or you don’t: you’re either in this world, or you’re not. If your non-net world is so perfect that you can perceive no motive to join in with this virtual one, what’s your definition of perfect again? Not having any time for new projects doesn’t seem so perfect to me.
Lots more I could say about this but here’s just one more: you get out what you put in. I’d love to tell all those anti-net people what being here has brought me (everything I’ve learned in the past 7 years- total life change) but, well, they’re not listening. Too bad.
Tags: internet
May 22nd, 2008 at 12:26 pm
Sounds like you feel superior …
May 22nd, 2008 at 1:36 pm
I’m not anti-net, but I’m highly skeptical that more technology is always better. I still don’t see why I would want to Twitter, for example. And while I’m not anti-tech, I don’t feel that much interest in getting more into tech – if I do that then when do I find time for hiking, bird watching, studying bees, gardening, writing, working with my chamber music group, working with my professional women’s group, cooking, listening to chamber music etc. We only have so many hours, all things in moderation. If that means that my PDA is turned off most of the time and I’m not on the computer all night after being on it all day, I feel fine about it all.
But I would not give up the net. I’d love to give up TV, I’d never give up the net (but I won’t be on Second Life with my free time either).
May 22nd, 2008 at 2:29 pm
Bart- is that a compliment?
MJ- it sounds like you are between two extremes of being anti-net and being “more tech is always better”, but I don’t think anyone really argues the second one. It’s one of those pretend positions (straw man?) invented by anti-tech people.
The most that pro-tech people ever say is that they think X or Y is brilliant, and they recommend trying it. Sometimes they say “you should try this!” meaning “it’s great and I want you to enjoy it too!” Other times they tell you what new stuff is rubbish. Which is good information, right?
What bugs me is people who diss new stuff without trying it, knowing that I and many others find plenty of value in them. It’s just rude to ignore that entire body of experience-based opinion. Simply not feeling inclined to join in is a very different thing, of course.
For instance, one friend of mine to whom I suggested blogging, because she has a lot to say and is very talented, reacted as if I wanted her to shoot her own grandmother- how dare I suggest that she had time to waste on such idleness! etc. Totally missing the point.
But there’s less and less room in the world for that sort of paranoid delusion these days. People are scared of innovation, but innovation is winning. Increasingly interesting times ahead for us all socially, I think.
May 22nd, 2008 at 3:08 pm
I see your points, Alice. I’m just very pro “meatspace” and I fear that all of this stuff that causes us to spend more time sitting alone in darkened rooms in front of a glowing screen is really, truly not all that good for us. I mean, why would I want to try Second Life? Do I have nothing to do in the real world that I’d rather do first (my problem is that I have way, way more that I want to do than I will ever have after-work time to do). Who spends time that could be spent in the world building an avatar? I just don’t understand this. And why would I want to Tweet? Less is more.
I don’t blog, not because I think it is a waste of time – I don’t(like everything else in life, some blogs are wonderful and some are wastes of time – just like books, plays, restaurants, anything else) but because I just don’t want to. The idea holds no appeal. I work very long hours, and that is not what I want to do at night – it is among the many other things I don’t want to do at night (writing for my local paper, writing confession stories to make $250/per like a friend, going to bars, going to the shopping mall more than absolutely necessary, etc.). Just doesn’t do much for me.
And at heart I probably am more than not anti-tech and suspect we’d all be much better off with more face to face interaction and less virtual reality. It is so easy to feel like virtual life is better and easier and filled with more wonderful friends and to turn one’s back on the world that we actually live in (which is filled with issues that don’t go away when ignored).
May 22nd, 2008 at 3:51 pm
Nobody should choose virtual reality in preference over real reality. Just as TV shouldn’t be a substitute for friends. I don’t know how many people really think of that as the choice, though. But if they can’t find a way of using tech to enhance their real, physical lives, and are disappearing into a fantasy existence, that’s pretty horrible, I agree.
All your choices sound good for you, MJ! Do you feel pressured by others to join in with things they enjoy, for the sake of their personal affirmation? If anyone personally criticises you for not blogging, they’re as much of a fool as anyone who regards all blogging as a waste of time. Sanity reigns between those poles, of course.
May 22nd, 2008 at 4:15 pm
@Alice … No …
May 22nd, 2008 at 7:59 pm
Bart-
Assuming that, like me, you would consider it a bad thing to regard yourself as superior to others: the comments here are for discussion of the ideas in the posts, not discussions about me personally. So please go ahead and talk about the issues I raised in a non-personal way if you wish.
Thanks.
May 23rd, 2008 at 12:20 am
@ Alice: When someone asks me how I find the time, I usually tell them everyone has 24 hours in the day so I do not ‘find’ any more time given to me than they do.
However it is what we do with it that counts.
With a couple of friends, I asked them to write down how they spend their 24 hours. It was an eye-opener for them. A bit like writing a food diary and discovering all those liquid calories which are dead easy to miss.
They found that they spend a lot of time waiting around at work and at home, and being idle in that time. I, on the other hand, multi-task my way through train travel, cooking, ‘watching’ TV and working in general, packing much more in a day including blogging, reading blogs, my charity trustee duties and prolific communication with my friends and extended family now with over 150 people.
Without technology, I would have _had_ to find ‘new’ friends each time I moved and I have moved nearly 2 dozen times so far in life. With technology, I am in touch with old friends and my blogging has introduced me to some truly cool people, present company included.
Time is an ethereal concept for many except for the then-28 years old Roger Waters:
Ticking away the moments that make up a dull day
You fritter and waste the hours in an off-hand way
Kicking around on a piece of ground in your home town
Waiting for someone or something to show you the way
Tired of lying in the sunshine staying home to watch the rain
You are young and life is long and there is time to kill today
And then the one day you find ten years have got behind you
No one told you when to run, you missed the starting gun
And you run and you run to catch up with the sun, but it’s sinking
And racing around to come up behind you again
The sun is the same in the relative way, but you’re older
And shorter of breath and one day closer to death
Every year is getting shorter, never seem to find the time
Plans that either come to naught or half a page of scribbled lines
Hanging on in quiet desperation in the English way
The time is gone the song is over, thought I’d something more to say…
May 23rd, 2008 at 12:25 am
Ooh, I love that song, it’s so indulgent
Great idea about the time-diary, I would like to do that soon but it would have to be for a week or a month, as my days can be so different productivity-wise. Maybe I’ll blog about it too!
May 23rd, 2008 at 9:57 am
I love the Floyd. You know you are in a bad job situation (not the one I’m in now though I am rather exhausted this week) when you find yourself driving to work each day listening to a lot of Floyd and really, really “getting it.” Yes, I am a lost soul swimming in a fish bowl…etc.
Oh heck, I think that I’m right and superior all the time – sometimes you have to. For example, if you work with strong personalities and/or bullies, or are the only woman under 45, you darn well better be very ready to verge on “arrogant” at times or else you get steamrolled flat and left in the dust. Not that this is fun but one copes.
May 23rd, 2008 at 4:23 pm
As a related digression, BBC4 (the TV equivalent of Radio 4 in some ways) has a Pink Floyd night going on today.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/proginfo/tv/wk21/fri.shtml#fri_pinkfloyd
As an unrelated digression, I owe one of my best friendships to being the only girl this friend of mine had ever met who knew what Alan Parsons Project was, and was more familiar with it than any of the boys, aspiring guitarists and band-wannabes at Uni all, that he had known
May 23rd, 2008 at 4:48 pm
@ Alice: I agree about a longer time line for the “how I spend my time” diary. Food diary usually is good over a one, stable week.
It amazed me when I did my own diary experiment. I have done several such experiments. May be I should write about them in a post or two.